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5 First Interview, second version; Packard ancestors Roosevelt's campaign manager in Southern California. He helped organize the Civil Liberties Union in Southern California. On two occasions he went to Imperial Valley to defend arrested agricultural workers who had been on strike, and had to be escorted out of the valley by motorcycle police for fear of attacks by vigilante groups. When my father was born in Oak Park, Illinois in 1881 it was a rural village with dirt streets. There were only kerosene lamps for light and only outside privies. The principal of the grammar school told my father's mother that he had given the school more trouble than any other student. He took a mouse to school in his pocket, with a string tied on its tail. When the teacher wasn't looking he would let it out on the floor to scare the girls. (Further note on Grandpa Packard, my father's father: he was an exceptionally good trial lawyer, but never took divorce or criminal cases - only civil suits. He had the second largest private law library in Chicago.)
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