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{SPEAKER name="Gordon Ekholm"}
...a danger to themselves. So I think that early peoples wouldn't be subject to attack and destruction, at least at most times. I mean there may have been times, of course, when they were. Getting into centers of civilizations, let us like say, the center of the valley of Mexico, whether in [Tenochtitlan] or Toltec or Aztec times, they would find people there, I'm sure, who would be very much interested in their knowledge and activities and it may even have been many of them were retained a place of honor in Native society in those places.

[01:06:25]
{SPEAKER name="Gordon Ekholm"}
One of the great difficulties about proving these suppositions about sea-voyagings on is that it's very difficult to find evidence of such things archaeologically. Ships are destroyed on beaches, but beaches are not usually good archaeological hunting grounds. Ships disappear, perhaps eventually underwater archaeology might be able to observe early ships of the kind that might have made these voyages, but it will only come about through chance.

[01:07:25]
{SPEAKER name="Shirley Gorenstein"}
Well, I think I also want, as you've been talking about that, to me the seeking after such particular sites, is really not, is really successful in archaeology unless it's a monumental ruin. So that when we began thinking about food production, I think we thought about it in a rather naive way, which I think is comparable to the naive take governing the desire to find the very points of landing. And when we're thinking about the food production, we're thinking of the origins of agriculture, and there seems to have been a mistaken notion that you're going to find a point in space either in the New World and/or in the Old World in which you found the site or the first domesticated plant. And that's an obviously hopeless...

[01:08:18]
{SPEAKER name="Gordon Ekholm"}
Hopeless task.

[01:08:18]
{SPEAKER name="Shirley Gorenstein"}
And you're really, that is not what you're interested...

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