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Transcription: [00:00:03]
{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Tape 2, Side 2, interview with Karl Heimberg.
[00:00:07]
I was going to ask you whether you felt there was any
[00:00:11] Luftwaffe/Army rivalry tension or involved in this collaborative,
[00:00:19] it was a collaborative venture between Luftwaffe and army wasserfall.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I had the impression that it worked out very well and that there were no rivalries.
[00:00:30] As far as I could see it, or as far as I could [[??]] it, there were no rivalries.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm. [[affirmative]] Uhm, this is of interest in part because the, you know, there were so many rivalries at the very top
[00:00:48] over V1 versus V2, as they were later called, or V4 versus FI103 that they were infighting
[00:00:55] and so forth at the level of Milch and, you know, at the top of the Luftwaffe-
[[Crosstalk]]
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
-At the top level of the [[??]].

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm [[affirmative]] Your own perception of who threw out, in terms of relations with Luftwaffe and Peenemünde West or with Luftwaffe assigned to Peenemünde Ost and Wasserfall, and so forth, was a very good relationship.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I do not know if Rudolph told you that story but
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[[??]] didn't get the money to build up the facility for military [[??]]
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and that he, Gunberger, organized the [[??]] air force to pay for that project Peenemünde because he could get that money from the army, the air force paid for that.
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And they only finally made a fence. Here is West, that's air force, and here is East, this is army.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Right. Mm-hmm. [[affirmative]] Yeah, certainly building Peenemünde was also a collaborative project.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
That was, yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
I get, you see one, get the, just from the highest level you get the impression that relationship is very good in the early years.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
36 to 39, 40, and that there was then a bit of a break, a bit of a deterioration which may have had no affect on the lower level at all.
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Namely, that they, Luftwaffe, dropped starthilfe and they dropped aircraft rockets and so forth at Peenemünde Ost.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
At Peenemünde, there were not that I know of.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm. [[affirmative]] Those projects were sort of killed at the beginning of the war. And then Wasserfall came along as a collaborative project later on.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah, later on.
{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm. But from --

Transcription Notes:
There are some words from Karl Heimberg that were difficult to make out if he pronounced an English word or German. I googled the German spelling of certain words that were mentioned by Michael Neufeld so hopefully they're correct.