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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
He had [[?]] that was a smuggling affair too,

Where he was caught, [[inaudible]], Seebär.
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This is a normal affair, there's nothing specially about it, if they commit something against the prescription, they will be punished,
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Um - [[silence]]
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But this were in the building groups you had. They worked with, with prisoners.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Did they, did they wear the concentration camp prisoner uniform?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah, they did, they did.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
They were, but they, but from the ones that you knew, they were largely-- They weren't political prisoners --

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
No.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
—they were largely ordinary prisoners.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
They were ordinary prisoners, they were ordinary prisoners.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
And the, the, I've heard of these —-

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Something that might, may be interesting to you, too —-
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When I was at, at Lehestens, there were prisoners too. And the prisoners got cigarettes. You know, we had three cigarettes a day, and the prisoners got cigarettes too, but somehow, you could buy cigarettes from the prisoners.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
How they did it? I do not know. Probably, the prisoners got cigarettes and they didn't go to the prisoners, but they were smuggled out before. This is what I assume.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
The, the POW labor force that was used— Was that used elsewhere? And I don't know, there's almost no details, I know that Russian, Polish prisoners of war, there was a camp, and they were used for construction purposes, I think.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yes, but generally, they were used for construction problems, and I believe even --
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There were Polish people involved because some information which I heard later on from the British side, their information they got from Polish prisoners, about Peenemünde.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Yeah, I know that some information was smuggled out.

[[cross talk]]

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
And I had, I had even seen papers here where they had drawn maps, and you could see this, where people only who came from the construction site.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
But that showed the test stand exactly, very exactly, but not in the final end where you had your containers and your-- It was strictly construction drawings, construction sketches, and these papers came from the British side, and the British said, "Well, these came from, from Polish prisoners."
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
So you, the, the test stand was constructed, and you were totally involved with that activity for 1943. On a daily basis you were, you were completely busy I assume just working --

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
--on trying to, on the various problems involved in working out the construction of it?
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
That's right, that's right. Until it was put in charge and functioned, and then this was the end of my work at, at Wasserfallen, but you had still problems. I give you one.
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You know the idea was to launch the V2 from France, and they had built a big concrete shelter, or were trying to build a big concrete shelter, in France, and every time concrete was poured, the British came and bombed it.
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So, all of a sudden, we got the task; we had to make the V2 mobile, and then came the design of the table, and the trying out of the table, and the trying out of the vehicle, either by train or by street, you know where--
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[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Yeah the road, the road mobile unit.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah, the road mobile.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
When do you recall that road stuff started? Are you--

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I think that was in '43, but I take it out of the air.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
It wasn't your, it wasn't your area?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
No, it wasn't my area.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Um, so and the train experiments, the train launch experiments were in '43? I think?
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Transcription Notes:
Lehesten is the town name that was a successor to Peenemunde.