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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
You knew that he was an old member of the party. Did he have a reputation of being an enthusiastic Nazi? Or not?

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
I could not answer that.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mhm

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I could not answer that.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
I've seen that said, about him.

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
Uhhuh, Uhhuh.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
I don't, I don't- I'm trying to get as many views as I can—

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
Yeah, okay.

{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
—because of the evidence. But I do know one thing, which indicates that he probably was. He had very good connections with the top of the SS.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
There's documentary proof of his intervention at the top levels of the SS and, uh, as well as documentary proof that he was the person who did in Zanssen.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
That he- that he told- that he said things to, that, that after the, Zanssen's problems came up, Stegmaier was the one who, who said, told various nasty rumors about Zanssen, which weren't probably true.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
I found these things in, uh, files, in Washington.

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{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
I know only one thing, you know the, uh-- the Gauleiter, from Stettin, came for a visit.

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Zanssen mounted his horse, and didn't say hello to him. Just as an example, in spite of the fact that he was an old member of the Party, he didn't want to see him.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mhm

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And that-- he showed that to all the people.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
Mhm. So he was a little foolish, do you think?

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
Certainly in my opinion, that was foolish. This was not a necessity.

{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
Mmhmm, yeah.

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That's something, I'm getting the picture from other people, the same- that Zanssen was a little careless—

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
—in showing his, uh, his distaste for the Regime.

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{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
You know, you can say careless is, is very - 'tender' to Zanssen. It was in my opinion more than—

{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
It was more like- reckless?

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
—it was dumb.

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{SPEAKER name="MICHAEL NEUFELD"}
But, uh, when Rossman came in, you didn't note any difference. He was, you didn't have much to do with him — at all, or any of those people?

{SPEAKER name="KARL HEIMBURG"}
No, not at all, not at all.


Transcription Notes:
Took some stuttering out, still unable to identify [Schtateen?] Stettin --> Szczecin, city in Poland (Stettin, in German)