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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
This uh, test stand did not, uh, belong to Peenemünde. That belonged to a completely different organization.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Only Peenemünde was called, you have to help out here.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Okay, under what, organi-- was that officially under Middelvac or--
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
That was officially under Middelvac, same company, exactly the same control.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Leighston was also owned by Middelvac?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Leighston, same, same thing.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
The, uh, first I want to ask you the detail of-- when was the first time you went to, was it Schlier?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Schlier.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Schlier.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Schlier.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
When you, first time you went to Schlier, um, when was that?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
That must have been the middle of '44
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Around that time.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
And the, the accident--
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I know I had mentioned that the Russians came closer to Rega, and that friend of that director of Middelvac, uh, the name you know, too. I don't accommodate it now.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
The director, the director of Middelvac's name, Ricci?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Ricci, Ricci! That was a friend of Ricci.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Who was put in that facility,
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
And uh--

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Uh, Ricci was the one who had requested that the man in charge was taken out, and I could only say the man in charge was, uh, pretty weak.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
When I came there first I told him a few of the weak spots as I saw them, said, "Well, don't forget you are in that, and you were continuously in it," and I was outside?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
I didn't see that, but on the other hand you could say, "Why didn't you every month once go back to Peenemünde and see what kind of changes had been made?"
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
In a development you have continuous changes.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Mmhmm
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Uh, this is where I saw the difficulties, and that the tanks were hanging on the wall, and that this case didn't work properly, and that you had to split,
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
and that could honestly can only close it down now and correct it.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
And we have to correct the other side, too, and if you do not watch it so that this repeats it, it's back again, then you can have from today to tomorrow an explosion.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
The last facility was also built towards the middle of '44, or earlier in?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
Yeah, early, early, in '44.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mmhmm.
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimberg"}
And that facility was by far better organized and, and, uh, in a by far better condition than to the South. And, uh
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