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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
--so that people cannot conceal themselves behind a screen -- uh-uh, that's your responsibility. I work the same way.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm. You think that you uh learned something from his management concept?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
Oh, definitely. Definitely I learned a few things.
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As I have mentioned, when you work on the government side, do not come out with the real figures. You lose, you lose the project before you have started it. He had taught me that in Germany, and that was true here in the states as it was in Germany.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mmm-hmm. But uh, his command over all areas, I know a number of people said that firstly he had command over all the different aspects, and secondly he talked to everybody from the top to the bottom.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Right down to the mechanic.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
He did. And that was something which some people didn't like at all, and I can understand that. You know, when you are for example head of the design,
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and he talks with the designer without your knowledge, and you come to the designer and you discuss it and you say, "OK, let's do it in such and such a way," and the designer tells you, "Von, Braun, Von Braun told me differently."
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That of course is something you don't like, and you can say,"You, von Braun, when you make such a decision, let me know. Not that I learn that from a designer." And uh,you may have heard the name of Raithel. Raithel was head of the design for some time here, and he left because he couldn't stand that.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
What was, how do you spell his name?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
R, a, i, t, h, e, l [[spelled out]]
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mmm-hmm. Raithel.
{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
Raithel.

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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
So this was let's say, something you as supervisor didn't like if he did that. I didn't experience that so I could not complain about that, but Raithel told me that "this is the reason that I leave." If that only
happens once in a year, you can stand that, that's alright, but if that happens repeatedly--
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mmm-hmm, he'd tell, what do you mean, he told one person one thing and one person another?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
No, no, he told the designer how to do that, but he did not tell the boss that he had made the decision,
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Yeah

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
and of course, when you come to the designer, you you are being told well "von Braun told me so and so."
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Yeah, so this was one of the disadvantages of von Braun's management style.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
Ok, that's the reason I mentioned that.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
He had many advantages as well.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
Yes, right.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
OK. Thank you very much.