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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mm-hmm. So you were, then went to?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
I went to Bleicherode from there. I did not go to southern Germany. I went to Bleicherode, and uh in Bleicherode, there was a transfer from Bleicherode which was occupied by the Russians too, then to Witzenhausen.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
OK um, you were at Witzenhausen.

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
At Witzenhausen, [[cross-talk]] and at Witzenhausen we put the group together which should go to the united States, and --

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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
the first group was selected, and I belonged to the first group of five, and we were sent to Frankfurt and brought into a camp.
I had mentioned that to you before. Uh--
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and then, completely unknown to us, the British and the American side, the British requested that they wanted to see the launch of a V-2,
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
and this was built up at Cuxhaven, and all of a sudden the five of us, we got the order, you go to Cuxhaven,and we met on the, on the way to Cuxhaven another group, by the way Rudolph belonged to that group too, and --
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we uh got vehicles which were partly destroyed and brought them into shape so that they could be launched, and I believe there were three or five launches, I don't even know any more. And then we went to Landshut and from Landshut we were shipped to the United States, and I was then at that time in the third shipment.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Mmm-hmm. Which was towards the beginning, in the beginning of 1946 or something?

{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
No, this was in November, November '45.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Neufeld"}
Uh-huh. Um, Did you question much the uh, the idea of going to the United States, or did it seem pretty natural?
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{SPEAKER name="Karl Heimburg"}
Uhh, It seemed to me natural, in this way. Here is a lost war. This takes quite some time until everything is reorganized. So you are better off when you are not in Germany but you are outside of Germany, because I knew the company in which I was in, they would
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have a slow start until they would work again. So I figured you are best off if you are for one year outside, and we figured, well, probably one two years we will be outside and then we will come back, because the idea mainly was not to start a rocket business, but the United states was interested--

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