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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I've looked at it a lot of times because it's very important that [[inaudible]
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which is better [[?]] realize [?],
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realize, you know, the depth, that the depth of understanding.
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But he has. And, ah [[inaudible]] really great
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Oh, yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
And I mean it's very important. And I think these are the essential things that an artist should learn
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
mmhh

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
of all [[inaudible]].
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Let me say this, have you talked to David Driscoll?

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
I've been trying to get in touch with him and I'm afraid he may be out of town.
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But, I also don't know, though, which number I have. Harold Hopp gave me a number.
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Let me just look here.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
OK

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
If he is out of town, I don't know where he is, but, ah, just a moment.
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
OK, yeah

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Sort of approach to painting, you know, it's just a T.V announcer, you know, you go out of town and start to paint, you know, how helpful and obviously encouraging sort of lost y'know in her direction [[inaudible]],
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
mmhhm

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
took a job and networked in Chicago.
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
mhhm
{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
So, she did a lot, you know.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah.
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I mean it's a great story for me. It's quite a life she seems to have had.
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I'll have to send you a copy.
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah. OK. I don't know at this point, you know, when it would be published.
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From what I know about their schedule, they, they don't publish things until at least three months after their turned in. So if they are turning it in now...

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Who is that?
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
I'm sorry, Ms. Magazine.
{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Ms?
{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I'll have to try it.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
[[laughs]] Well, I tell ya. I wouldn't mind doing that. Ah, it's just that I sort of had a previous commitment to Ms. So, they gave me the opportunity to do this.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I'm saying if they do turn you down.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Or even you could try Arts Magazine or something along there. Someone has been trying to encourage me to write a book on Alma.
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah, I, I heard actually that a woman in New York had begun that. And had been interviewing her at the time of her death. Sandra Butler?
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I don't know. --
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