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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
[[??]] for instance, he was in her class. Ah, he taught her, I mean she taught him about making her [[??]]. Do you have any idea if that was an interest that continued through her life, or as she became more involved in her paintings?

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
No, I think, I think, I don't know anything about that. See, the thing that was really passionate about Alma, was the way that at a certain time, most sort of, uh, black artists had, for all intensive purposes, had a hand at sort of abstraction or mostly current bigotry.
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Is that she found a way to make her work coincide with the concerns of most of the Washington major art groups [[??]] she dealt with antiquity in a certain way. But, at the same time, she had been dealing with it earlier with all sort of individualized. She felt certain concept of colors, certain concepts of flats, certain color [[??]]. I saw flower paintings she did, using watercolors, but I never saw the [[inaudible]].

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm, yeah.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
There was one person you might speak with, that was very close to her. [[??]]
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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Oh yeah
{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
She would spend time with Alma. That's actually how I met her, I saw her around. She sort of just sit and sort of talk. I had a studio that was not very far.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
And that, one of the things that a number of people would do specifically? was calling, is that you'd just go and drop by, you know, as a way of actually saying that you appreciate everything.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
But one thing is that it brought them so much pleasure, they always brought out their best malt scotch.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
[[Laughter]] Right.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
And you know, it's like a form of mutual admiration. I mean and then that, for one one thing is that, uh, it sort, it became rather interesting to have someone about--
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Transcription Notes:
Hard to hear. Alma Thomas is the African American artist being discussed in the interview; she died four months before the interview took place.