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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
In the sense that we're all the kind of people {SILENCE} that, excuse me

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Mm-hmm, [[affirmative]] sure

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
[[knock]]
Hello?

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah, Hello

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
There's one thing that I, I, I knew that among many of her sort of, ah, peoples, persons who were of regardless of who had worked with her, that at least one time she always was behind.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
And I think then, like Lois Jones and Delilah Pierce and Alma shared a studio and I heard someone mention that Alma was always the one [[laughter]] that trailed that one assumed would never make an artist.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Mm-hmm [[affirmative]]

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
And yet, you know, to a certain extent that she does parallel Lois Jones now.

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah, yeah
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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
Ah, she is not, she is not, she was never as diverse as, as Lois, as you know. She didn't come from that sort of depth of work.

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
She may not have ranked with her earlier

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{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
When you say depth, what do you reference?

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{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
I, I don't know. I mean if you look at Lois's work over an entire career, I think Lois, in her Paris days, were very fine. I had a painting-- I never saw those, that kind of, that level, you know.

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I think Alma had a, another kind of spiritual gift, you know, that put her itself in terms of color, beautiful colors and that was very meaningful.

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And then Lois, of course, started from a sort of more classical and then this on, at the school that they attended so that, in a sense, if she was not performing at that level, she would of been a sort of a less, I heard that teacher,

{SPEAKER name="Judith Wilson"}
Yeah

{SPEAKER name="Sam Gilliam"}
That when the


Transcription Notes:
Alma Thomas is the African American artist being discussed in the interview; she died four months before the interview took place.