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It would floor me, as far as art and ah I was ready for this when I was a student and
Did you intuit, remember when that show was in Pasadena, was that your first, when was that - 60?
The new venue of common objects?
No, the Big John show maybe 64 or something like that.
Oh, no, I had seen his work before then. I had seen his work in the late 50s when I was a student
Oh way back, ok way back.
Before he was known as an artist.
Oh, well when that show came you
I wanted some answers of course, I was with some pretty serious instructors, ah, in school.
And ah, most of the instructors, just their words were that he, that this is not art.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
You can't paint a symmetrical painting, you can't paint a hard edge painting.
And ah. It's just not done. And so there was no room for any kind of art like that and I guess that's what really gave birth to that idea for me.
When you first saw that the like tart of the faces, and that
Did you intuitively understand those paintings?
Yeah, well understand, I don't know about that. But I responded and ah it ah
It must be so hard for you
They literally blew me away.
I just ah. You know they were so powerful to me, so curious, so strange
You couldn't forget it.
They were the rarest variety of, I mean I was not looking for those kind of things, but they just hit me straight between the eyes.
And I knew that they were important. And so, you know they became an obvious influence in my work.
It's interesting that you were able to see them early that would make a big difference. You've been able kind of grow with a sense what your work is about. I really