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Transcription: [00:20:43]
{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Lauds it, because it's there, y'know, like if my show was here and someone just writes about it, you know. Just because it's there, that's another thing. But, he takes it and begins to say "Well, okay so what's the big deal?"
[00:20:55]


{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
That's right, ways...

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
You know hands on

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And he says that Michael Asher and Chris Burdon's pieces in the site show are the two best pieces.
[00:21:02]


{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Hmm hmm. [[affirmative]]

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Okay Peter. Go ahead and build from that premise, and I had to read the whole end of the article to see how in God... they are the two worst pieces in that show.

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Now what did Michael Asher do?
[00:21:11]


{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh, this thing about unleashing your dogs in the park. Which you probably didn't even bother to go all the way through.
[00:21:17]


{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Oh, it was at one of the park works?

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
It's like there's a painting of the frontiersmen up in the upstairs gallery.
[00:21:24]
There's a poster for the frontiersmen movie and in the painting, which Charlton Heston was in the movie, and in the painting there's a dog with a leash and out in the park there is a sign that says "Dog must be leashed in the park" or something.
[00:21:38]

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Michael Ashley did that? [[amazement]] I missed that all the way through.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
I mean, you know, I was looking for the moved park bench. I had the little chart that we got

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
This was site, this was site?
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Yeah, I'm supposed to know because, you know, I'm writing about Michael in the book and stuff. And I spent half an hour in the heat on like that 105 degree day looking for that god damn piece,
[00:21:57]
and I'm too stubborn to ask because if you can't find it, who's going to find it. I mean, you know, that's got to be part of the don't ask. Anyway, that's what the piece was, it was a dumb piece, it's pretentious and

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
hmmmm [[tone going up]]

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
who's going to bother and why do we care even.
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And then Chris, who I have been, ah

[[interrupted by an Unknown assistant]]
{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
Kate wanted to give you the cab number, she can't get any of them and they don't take calls in advance anyway
[00:22:18]


{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Oh.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh, surprise, ok, so you'll start

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
So, right when you are ready to leave, you can try those but everybody is asking for a cab because of the rain
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
So we better start in a little bit then

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Oh, oh.

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
She gives you an alternate method, she apparently

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Bless her heart. Thank you.

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
So just call these numbers right here, huh?
[00:22:31]

{SPEAKER name="unknown"}
Those are the cab numbers, apparently that Pat has been trying to call.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
[[Betkins?]] is a safe bet, because they are hungry.
[00:22:36]

{SPEAKER name="unknown"}
And if you can't get them on the phone, then she gives you an alternate method which in standing on the [[giggles]]