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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
ah, there are some things left unsaid. And so, I, you know
{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Interesting
{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
abandoned it and then now I'm gravitating back towards it.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
It's a small world painting, don't you think? Try to begin to see,
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Well, for a moment I thought I was in the 3rd dimension
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
No, no but it's all that in there you know. It's a, quite a heavy painting in a very real way. It's kind of, ah, it portends something that's sort of interesting.
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And I can kind of, I can kind of see it pouring in there, that's interesting to see that. Because it's been, I haven't seen painting for a long time. And I know that with it, hiatus I don't know how long, how long? [[inaudible]]
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Mmm, well, I didn't paint on canvas for maybe, well 1970 I didn't paint.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
At all.

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
The year 1970, there aren't any paintings.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Interesting

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Um, or no, actually no, no oil paintings. No oil paintings.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
But, but works on paper.

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Yeah. I did works on paper. But um, I couldn't bring myself to paint a picture. But then, then I used organics for a few years there and now I'm back to painting, uh, with oil paints. Which I've been doing for about, maybe, six years.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Again? I mean, but that actively?
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh I did you realize that. Oh I didn't realize that. I thought you were been in a couple, last couple of years.
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Yeah. I haven't made a [[??]] for several years.
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And so, I, you know, digressed from that medium. For God knows what reason. But, um
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
That will probably come back around, you know

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
I've had a run on things like that or it may show itself in another way. I don't know.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Well at least you won't be known as the book man

{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
[[laughter]]
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Did you ever have any idea in the beginning of those books?
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{SPEAKER name="Ed Ruscha"}
Um, well I was after something that was um, an enigmatic ground
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