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{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
- but still, being still a little optimistic I gave Jeanne the camera which she was about two feet and I could quickly get this.

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She got a moment of an arrest, and at that moment another soldier stepped up and arrested her and we were taken off to jail.

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
Yes --

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[[cross-talk]]
{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
They didn't like it that we were taking these pictures. They didn't know what it was...

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
We really were. They didn't really know what we were doing. And we ah -

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They took our passports from us -

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Pulled out - in fact, it was at gun point they took us off, because we were most reluctant. We didn't see any reason - we were Americans, why, we weren't doing anything, why they would take us to jail?

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{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
And then Lisa had the bright idea that we should run for it. [[laughter]] Just turn around and run,-

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- which I thought was a --

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
And Jeanne said, "well that's a wonderful idea, but they have our passports".

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{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
And also shoot us in the back.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
Oh, but it never occurred to me they'd do that. [[laughter]]

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{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
So this was in Belgrade?

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{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
No this was south.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
This was after Belgrade.

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
After Belgrade?

[[cross talk]]

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
About 150 miles south.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
Just a little village south of Belgrade.

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{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Well now, how long were you in jail? Tell me about the jail.

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[[cross talk]]
{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
Oh they detained us about 5 hours --

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
Which was a terrible detainment.

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
And we were very frightened. We were nervous.

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Um -

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{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
And, well we just sort of sat around this station not knowing what to do or who to talk to. And these men would come out and look at us. And you know they couldn't read our passports because their alphabet is different than ours. So, the passport made no sense to them really.

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And all of a sudden, about after 5 hours of this, Lisa just said to this man, now, "we are going!" in a very determined manner. This was it, "we are going!" And suddenly they handed back our passports and let us go.

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We never did understand exactly what took place.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
Well, I think they thought, that we maybe were important, with the sudden attitude of, "we are going!" Because we had been afraid before and they had been treating us rather badly.

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{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Did they take the camera?

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[[cross talk]]
{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
No --

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
No -- luckily.

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
Thank heavens!

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Hmm.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
We thought they would probably take the camera and all our film. Well, we didn't know what they'd do.

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{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Well now wait a minute. You had only 3 days to get through the thousand miles -

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
mhmm

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
- and you've already been 5 hours in jail -

{SPEAKER name="LISA & JEANNE"}
Yes.

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
So?

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{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
We were very nervous and upset.

{SPEAKER name="MARTHA DEANE"}
Mm-hmm.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
And then we came finally to the end of the road and it turned into literally a mud cow path.

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Now there was no way to turn back because the time was such that we wouldn't be able to reach the Italian border.

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So we kept on going and finally, even a river crossed the road -

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
It was raining too.

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
- we drove through the river and we just made it within one hour at the border. Which would have been quite a bad thing, needless to say.

{SPEAKER name="JEANNE PORTERFIELD"}
Were we ever glad to see Greece!

{SPEAKER name="LISA CHICKERING"}
Yes!

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And their roads are paved in Greece. In fact it's sort of interesting, later in Burma, through friends in England we were very fortunate to stay with the British Ambassador and his wife in Rangoon and they knew were were terribly interested in meeting all these--

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