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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh well, and what do you call, what do you call, uh
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
See, the thing is, I was agreeing with you in part about the difference though because mystification is like the erroneous fitness that he puts out about himself or wants something like that, right.
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[[Cross Talk]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Or a questionable, a questionable --

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And you say that, it doesn't, any man tamper with my work, I'll give him the share of my back, any man tamper with my work, and his blood will be on
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Right.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
my blood will be on his hands.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Right, right, right.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
But, in a way, in a way you can read that, but me, I can read that, I can say, well that's, you know, that I know is incorrect. Yeah, and he's done that intentionally to tell us, tell me something else. And that's, it becomes almost a narrative or a metaphorical language of which he's speaking in. And I can say the same--

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Yes, I agree.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
the same, the same with [[human]], and I think the same, ah, well, I don't know. You know, but I have a feeling that um, [[San France?]] is a different animal. That's all I'm saying.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh, for sure.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And that he's not doing intentionally. The point is--

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh no, absolutely not. He's far from it, far from it.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
His point is to get into studio--
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And do it.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And do his work, get his paintings out, and that's it.
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[[Cross Talk]]

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And that emphasis couldn't be more correct.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And he has no, and he has no, and he has no critical or analytical question about the work.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And no need for verification of his, whatsoever.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Right. Exactly.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
No need for verification or confirmation
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[[Interference]]

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh, no, I was thinking that last night when we were talking about that whole thing being that window of faith, just you can't say when it compounds the power of that place, it becomes aware.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
But this is [[urbantal?]] space. This one.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Where was the {[monetry?]] program?

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
That, thats...

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
But, this is documented.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
This is...

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Like the other one. Yeah...

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Yeah. Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
This, this is like, just a hallway which they could never do anything with.
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You'd never believe it but this is looking like 12 or 13 feet wide. See this is just a corridor. It's just a hallway.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Well, it's amazing

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And I made it, and I put it, I capped it both ends.
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