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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And when you enter the room, the light level is very low it seemed.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
No. That wasn't set to be low. The only thing is that it, uh, it is low because as you can see, the hallway is black and so, it absorbs the light...

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Ah.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
The hallway absorbs lots of light --

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Okay.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And I didn't have an actual light with me.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And that's an open door, you see.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Oh, yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Ok, [[??]]

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Yeah, and so, and so basically, you know, I don't mind, there being, I mean, it's possible but it's not anything about that.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Ok, but there was, there was not light in that room?

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
There was, there was, there was enough, I mean, we tried to put those, I don't know, lights in the hallway, we tried to bounce, bounce actual light in, you know?

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Ok, so when I entered the muse, just real quick.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Well! It just gets very, uh, hm? Well, let me show you the page --
[[paper flapping]] [[unintelligible]]-- and then I can, I can explain it.

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[[paper flapping]]

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Ok, now --

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Where's your sculpture garden?

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Sculpture garden's over here.

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[[silence]]

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Um, we walk down this way, ok, or you can go through this way.

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Now what happens is, as you - as you come in here, uh, you, the sound is absorbed more and more and more to the point here where you just hear hallway sounds. But with that hallway sound you hear also -

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It gets to be sort of a mixture - a sound mixture - right here where [[exhales]]

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of exterior noise and, well pretty much exterior noise.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Where's the black hole? It's right where you finger is, or is it here?

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Both - places. So there are two openings, two doorways, they're not doors, they're passages.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
OK

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And, um, Now at this point where it's absorbing quite a bit at the center, then if you walk into this corner or that corner, it just absorbs that much more.
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So it's made on a, it's made symmetrically to do this, so as you pass-- pass through it, it gets more and more dense and then less and less. Ah, but if you decide to turn it gets denser and denser and denser and denser and denser.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Is it wooly in there? Is it like a....

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
No, no, uh, ah. It's almost like, ah, it's almost like plywood.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Huh.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
I mean because it's a very closed texture. It just so happens, that it's built up, I have, it's built up on the outside with 3 different walls so that in fact you do have, and then it's isolated from the rest of the building.
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
That's right, yeah, OK.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
So that you do have, you do have, um, acoustical.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Already.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Already, whatchcall, I don't know what you call it here. Then you have a pun of just air. So it, it, damps itself. Then you have another wall with acoustical material in it, and then another pun and then acoustical.
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