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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
[while yawning] let me ask you a question

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Oh, let me just say it's redefined

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Any contextual material

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Yeah, it certainly redefines

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
When you said [[inaudible]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Redefines and mystifies [laughs]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
uh and our production

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
See- I have two completely different lines of it. If you haven't been raised in a museum context, museum education context, I 100% understand the museums attitude and relation to text [[inaudible]].
And the other point of view that I afford, I don't want any of it if it stands for [[inaudible]].
I don't, I can't define [[inaudible]] Someone come in with the view [[inaudible]]. And I don't [[inaudible]].
But that's a different issue then whether or not it needs to be [[silence]] actual material that's used for human words is not necessarily participation [[inaudible]].
It can mean [[inaudible]]. I don't think that information about

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