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Transcription: [00:17:24]
{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
But you noticed, what about [[inaudible]] necessary participation?

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
I would, I would say, I'm totally not degradable.
[00:17:31]
Ah, because what I said, because what I said about [[inaudible]] Because, um, different then anything I did and I would just clarify,
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh what. I mean you

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
My [[inaudible]] clarify, clarify the words and

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
And there's no razzle dazzle. If anything there is too little razzle dazzle.
[00:18:01]
[[inaudible]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Maybe.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
[[inaudible]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Maybe, I don't, I'm not sure. But
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
I know it [[inaudible]] [[silence]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
But, I'm saying that, I'm saying that, you know, I guess I feel it is how it is done, the way in which it's done. And, um, that's why you know [[noise on tape]]
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
But the ditextual materials is

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Is used.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
[[inaudible]]

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Yeah and part of it is through the edification of the artwork. Um, [[inaudible]].
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Well there's a difference between a piece of work that can't stand on its own so then it needs to be dependent, there are people who do that with their work, especially people who teach art which is one of the interesting things because it use to...

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Like myself [[laughs]]
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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
But that no, no, I see that a lot in artists who teach. And over, you need to over explain, because it's part of a different process. It's a different... The artist who chose to teach have a slightly different capacity, I think, then people who chose not to teach.
[00:19:27]
Just simply to say, some people, there's only a [[street art?]] that's completely private studio [[?]]. And there's no desire to verbalize their work whatsoever. And some people who chose to teach
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