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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
...Still gotten the drawer. I mean this is that simplistic a concept

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Sure

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
with relation with the art, oh they just do white rooms, you know. Alright, assume that what you did could be done with a white room. Assume that the only intent was the effect within that particular piece. And that the importance of the impact momentarily for getting the whole dialectal thing when you get through it...was equally strong.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
You know. Let's take Erich Boers Lead Room. Okay, that could happen here, that could happen there, but now what is more moral, not arguing what we mean by moral, just to shortcut it, about not building a piece, but working within that structure? Why are we making that structure sacred?

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
We're not making it sacred. I don't make it sacred here.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Sacred is a bad word and moral is a bad word. But..

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
I don't make it sacred here. I, ah, this is certainly a critique on the building.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Alright, Okay, Maybe we're talking about integrity, not sacred.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
This is an absolute critique on the building.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Okay. As is the one that Rudy Fuchs was talking about. For sure.
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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
And it also, it also takes question of the whole idea of collecting, collection. How, um, this is collectible and how it exists once they purchased it and everything else. So I don't know, I so this is when they first started collecting.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Oh that's interesting, I didn't realize that. Because I knew them but, I didn't connect the two.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Yeah. So, um...

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
So there's no question in your mind, in your intent is on one level, very political. That's a stated...

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
I don't mind stating it.

{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Okay. No, no, no. I just don't like to over-read these things, I might see that in somebody's work but I would never say that unless I had discussed it at length. Because I hate over reading it.

{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
I don't know, I sometimes think it's obvious. But then I ...
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