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up, because you never see it that way, you're always involved with what you're doing, you put your solo show up which is in a given context, so the rewarding thing for me in this show is to see that it - these breaks weren't quite as violent as I thought they were each time they were occurring.

Forge: Looking at those big collages - you've used collages at various times, haven't you?  Could you say something about the value of it?

Krasner: No, I couldn't say a thing about the value of it.  All I can tell you is how I happened to start to collage.  I'd done a series of drawings, tacked up - oh I don't know how many -  in my studio and then was very dissatisfied with a great many of then so I isolated the ones I didn't like and started to tear them up.  I created quite a pile of torn up drawings in the studio and I thought - oh, let's see what I can do about rearranging in it and I think it lasted for about three or four years and then put up a show.  In 55 I had my collage show, but actually the way it started was precisely this.  Oh yes.  And I haven't collaged since then.  Now I may start all over again, but it was something of being dissatisfied that took me into this - one changes medium all the time, I'm on a series of gouaches or have been the past winter which I haven't done before ever.  Now when I start painting again - I hope something a little different will take place.

Forge: While you're painting you're obviously drawing on what you are - at any rate subconscious impulses.
Krasner: I would say that they are not conscious - definitely not aware.  that is to say if I start my next canvas I'd have no way of telling you ahead of time what the result will bee  I will after