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acc. to Joko all coops incl. coop. pensionan) in real money dropped 
- before that 1962-65 savings program going well 
devaluation after Gestapo (Sept 30 1965) period
-tried to rebuild savings starting in '66
- not all pengusaha now get raw materials from coop - some buy from traders who come to the village
- Pak Harjop. sells areng from Desa Guro to other pengusaha (a truckload arrived during interview) 
- not all pengusaha sell via coop
- formerly those who sold tools directly in southern mountains used bicycles, but now most use colt ((ask when colts came in))
- about 1974 shift to standing from duduk cenkok- acc. to Harjop. this was change on advice of govn. 
govn. also recommended that masks & long-sleeved skirts be worn, but not carried out because "repot"
from end of Japanese occupation till about 1967 problems both with 

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both marketing & getting raw materials 
problems with raw materials because couldn't get govn. permission to buy rails & problems with marketing because "belum ada pengenbangun"
- situation began improving after coop became a legal body
- now with "jaman order baru" situation much improved
- ((village people divide history into 1. jaman belanda or jaman londo - before 1942
2. jaman jepang - 1942-45
3. jaman order lama - 1945-65 includes "jaman klash I" in 1948 when Dutch took [[crossed out]] back Jogja & "jaman klash II" in 1949 when Jogja reoccupied by Indon. troops
4. jaman Gestok (Gestapu) 1966 Sept 30, 65- installation of fuh. 
5. Mar 11, 66 jaman order baru until now

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1898 & 1912 jamanabu from Krakatoa & 1962 from Gunang Agung Bali 
eg. Gunakanyo came after hujan abu i.e. after 1912
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- never any work stopages, even if new orders havn't come in yet
- 1962-63 mulai berkembang because that was jaman gaber (severe