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168     HELICOPTER AIR SERVICE PROGRAM

Senator MONRONEY. Do you mean the fare is double? I can't go from Los Angeles International, I am sure, to Balboa for $10 by cab. The cabdriver would lose his mind if he charged only $10.

Mr. BELINN. This is somewhat an elusive thing and it doesn't apply in all instances, particularly in areas where the taxi-we have three basic forms of competition: Taxicab is one; the limousine is the other; and local airlines. Those are the three that are quite obvious.

Senator MONRONEY. Local airlines?

Mr. BELINN. Yes; we have some through service by local airlines.

Senator MONRONEY. Intrastate?

Mr. BELINN. No, sir; we have on the south some through service by Bonanza, and on the north the Pacific. I am not sure whether they operate into Burbank anymore or not.

Senator MONRONEY. Pacific is the intrastate line that flies Electras; is it not?

Mr. BELINN. That is the Pacific Southwest, Mr. Chairman.

Senator MONRONEY. It flies from Los Angeles to San Francisco?

Mr. BELINN. From San Diego to San Francisco.

Senator MONRONEY. Is that Pacific Southwest?

Mr. BELINN. That is Pacific Southwest. That is an intrastate, nonsubsidized.

Senator MONRONEY. It does come into Burbank?

Mr. BELINN. That's right.

Senator MONRONEY. It did just a few weeks ago when I was out there.

Mr. BELINN. Yes; potentially we have on overlapping point with Pacific Airlines, which is in Ventura. They are very indignant at not being able to receive the high-frequency type of service which we provide. We are certified to go into Ventura but have been unable to do so because of lack of equipment.

However, just by way of dwelling for a moment on this fare structure, our distance between San Bernardino and Los Angeles, about 65 miles, for which we charge $10, for the connecting passenger who goes to San Francisco it is about 365 miles for $10.35. So we have some kickbacks from this fare, this disproportion cost. We are charging about all that we think the traffic will bear at this state of the art.

Senator MONRONEY. I would think by keeping your fares relatively low in comparison with other helicopter fares, you are generating a much large number of passengers and probably offer even greater opportunity if we continue to grow as people find it convenient to travel by helicopter.

Mr. BELINN. This is our theory, sir. I am certainly glad to hear this.
To go back to my statement, if I may, and I am going to go through the statement very shortly and go down through the specifics: It is a well-known fact that we have evolved and tested a great number of the original methods, criteria and standards which have become available to the whole world in connection with the operation and maintenance of transport helicopters. I won't dwell on that. I will touch on two or three of the more important items.

Senator MONRONEY. You are on page 7 of your primary statement?

Mr. BELINN. yes, sir; we started in when there wasn't even a dictionary, of or nomenclature of, any kind for this thing. We