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{SPEAKER name="Greg Arnold"}
That's where I see carving helping tradition
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and helping, like my generation - all generations really.
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Because all of us participated from real old- elderly gentleman who's on a walker, to young kids.

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{SPEAKER name="Speaker 2"}
You know, one of the things, along with languages and cultural preservation is that
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In many cases, you see a lot of Indian tribes thriving because this whole process of change-
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We're all in a kind of a state of flux, you know
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You gotta realize that traditional Indian art is not traditional Indian art in the old sense. Okay?
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We have had, for example, various schools of painters
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Plains Indian painters on the Southern Plains
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And their style of painting depicts horses and people in very elaborate and colorful tribal dress.
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And you can see this trend going to about 1930
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And then suddenly, something very different happens.
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The canvases begin to shimmer with a different kind of feeling, a different kind of attitude.
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You see the animals doing different things.
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Finally, it gets to the point where the animal almost totally disappears, and you see a lot of people
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And you see a lot of scenery in the background that looks very surrealist.
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And there are lots of different examples of this transition occurring even in wood carving.
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The traditional wood carvings of the Makah Indians have gone- have been in a state of transition
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I think it's all for the good, because I don't think any culture is able to really stand still in time
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And say 'this is it, this is all there is to it.’
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Because we're being affected by modern life.
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Policies are changing, attitudes are changing,
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The whole life form around you is kind of coming in, and
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There's a kind of a pressure going on, there's a kind of state of emergency going on
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And artists feel this, and usually, they're the first ones that can make this first transitional step
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Because it's a very scary process to be able to take something which you have been doing for years
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And go beyond it. Okay?
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Because there's problems of interpretation,
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There's a lot of fear on the part of the public
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Because they don't always realize what you're doing.
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But I think you can see that also in wood, and also in stone carving.
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Since we're talking about this period of flux
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And we're talking a little about some of the artifacts that come out of these cultural programs and museums in preservation or conservation,
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Why don't we ask Ms. Watt. Ruth, in terms of basketry,
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are there things that some of the young people are doing in basketry that you think has changed or is not like it used to be
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Or are there some things happening in basketry that you can talk about?

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{SPEAKER name="Ruth Watt"}
Well, on our reservation, there's very little interest in basket making among the young people
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Maybe about 3 or 4 years ago, my mother had some basket classes
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and there was very little interest in it.

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{SPEAKER name="Speaker 2"}
I see.


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{SPEAKER name="Ruth Watt"}
And it's too bad that it's like that.
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I have three nieces who have become real interested in making baskets.
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So, I think that they will be able to be on their own, in a short time.

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{SPEAKER name="Speaker 2"}
Right. So along with all of this change and flux, people find other interests.
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And so some of this stuff is put aside
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And I think Ruth is here precisely for the reason that basketry does happen
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And in some cases, it's thriving- in some areas.
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But it's getting, it's turning into something that was a ‘used to be.’

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{SPEAKER name="Ruth Watt"}
Yes. Even now, we used to have a neighbor that made handles for us,
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and it's very difficult for us to find anyone who makes real good handles
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[laughter]
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We have come across some men that made hands,
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But we weren't quite satisfied.
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[laughter]

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{SPEAKER name="Speaker 2"}
Even in our community, we have difficulty finding people who can make these huge excellent pow-wow drums
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You know, the ones that you see where people are out dancing-
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How many people- a lot of you people go to pow-wows.
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Have you seen those dances [?]
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The whole gear, the whole feather work,
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Everything has changed, and some of the stuff has-
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I look at it, and when I was a child, it was all different, okay.
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Because you've seen these things happening, and they're very very beautiful and ornate.
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But you don't recognize them as being the costume you wore some 10 or 20 years ago,

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