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on-line revenue flights for this purpose. Q. How many approaches and landing, for instance, would you say a man might accrue in the course of a month, flying as check pilot? A. Are you asking me as I am doing checks? Q. Yes. First check pilot. From your own -- A. As a check, well, you make a minimum of three every night. Or three every check. That is an absolute minimum. Generally you make four or five. (T-244) Q. And these are of different kinds, are they not? A. Yes Q. ILS, VER -- whatever is available? A. Visual, circular Q. How many approaches and landings would you say the average instructor pilot makes in the course of a month? A. You mean physically himself? Q. Yes. A. Or observed - Q. Physically himself A. That is such a very variable type thing. It depends on the equipment that you are checking in, what phase of instruction you are in. If you are introducing people to a new airplane, for instance, you might make, I would say, half of the approaches during the month. If it is -- Q. Half of how many? A. I would say twelve. (T-245) MR. SABLE: Let's break it down into two forms. What would be the minimum standards of take offs and landings within a thirty-day period that you (T-248) feel a line pilot should make in order to be current and proficient? THE WITNESS: It is too hard a question to answer. With pilot A who is a little weak, he might need a dozen. With pilot C, who is above average, he cuts the mustard once or twice a month and always does it well. MR. SABLE: Would your answer be any different with reference to a test pilot, check pilot, or instructor or ferry pilot? THE WITNESS: No. -22-