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Transcription: [00:47:37]
{SPEAKER name="Miu Eng (Interviewee)"}
Maybe, sort of subconsciously, try to prove myself. Not necessarily, you know, oh i'm gonna do it, but just hard work, you know?

[00:47:48]
And um, and going above and beyond what's needed, like taking work home just so that I can get it right. And um, and also, within the graphic design business, as well as a lot of businesses, you know, technology has changed a lot of things.

[00:48:07]
And, what we learn in school, it's really just the basics, it is a continual learning, um, because everything's changing all the time.

[00:48:20]
So, um, but I think, you know I feel, when, as an Asian woman, in the, when I was a teenager, I felt that people- at least the opposite sex, didn't find Asian women to be attractive.

[00:48:39]
But then, it was right around the 19 8- early 80's it was like, "Oh, it's cool to date an Asian woman!" You know?

[00:48:49]
And that kind of is like, well, "Hello, I'm the same person!" [[laughs]] So, it's sort of, and gave me awareness of, you know, it's not necessarily what's real, it's really kind of perception.

[00:49:03]
{SPEAKER name="Samir Meghelli, Ph.D. (Interviewer)"}
Mm-hmm.

[00:49:03]
{SPEAKER name="Miu Eng (Interviewee)"}
So, and then you have to feel comfortable in your own skin and not let other people decide for you, like, "Oh yes," you know, "you're beautiful," or "No, you're not beautiful."

[00:49:17]
So, um, and it'd been, and sometimes I do sort of like- there are a lot of us, stereotypes out there. And some of them is like, "Oh my god, this is so embarrassing," [[laughs]] and other times it's like, "Wow," you know, "good for you for standing up for yourself!" sort of thing.