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JL  brought him good luck. He started only to breathe a little bit. 

EM  Well, of course Hudson was the person who brought him good luck.

JL  Who is Hudson?

EM  Hudson Walker.

JL  Walker, yes.

EM  You see, Hudson borrowed five thousand dollars and bought a bunch of Hartley's paintings, and that was the first time that Hartley had any money in the bank. That was before Rosenberg.

JL  Just before Rosenberg. He was complaining bitterly about it, though. I always remember he was speaking about different dealers.

EM  Well, I think that he felt persecuted, but I think he felt persecuted unjustly. I think he had more good luck than a lot of people.

JL  I can't judge it because I don't know his life. Anyway, he had a life where he went traveling, he went working.

EM  He traveled a great deal, you see. I haven't yet done it, but I am going to make an itinerary of the places he went to.

JL  Yes, he went many places. He told me about Cezanne there.

EM  Yes, he had Cezanne's studio at the Chateau Noir. [at Aix-en-Provance]

JL  He said, let me see, what he had of Cezanne. He told me he had some palette of Cezanne. He had some relic.

EM  Yes, he did have. I don't know what happened to ti.

JL  Now Sandberg is making an exhibition.

EM  Yes, I'm helping him.

JL  It's a serious thing because after all to have a European exhibition, it's a great thing.

EM  I'm writing the introduction of the catalogue.