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JL  experience to make his portrait.

BC  How many castings of the--

JL  I made seven castings.

BC  Seven.

EM  Well, Hudson has one, Hudson Walker has one. The Lowenthals, Milton Lowenthal has one.

JL  I don't know who exactly. I know that the Walker Art (Center) has one. I didn't sell them; my dealer sold them.

EM  Well, Curt Valentin.

JL  Curt Valentin, I don't know.

EM  That was just about the time you had the fire in your studio.

JL  Oh, no, it wasn't. My fire in the studio was in '52. But he was coming to my studio. He came once with Kelekian.

EM  He was very fond of him.

JL  Yes, because Kelekian was very fond of his painting and they are men with the same dignity, so it was a completely--

EM  Those have all vanished. We don't know what happened to those paintings.

JL  I don't know. The paintings which belonged--

EM  To Kelekian. The son had them, but the son had to sell them, and we haven't been able to trace them.

JL  But the son can find it. I don't know if he is now in New York; he is maybe in Paris. But he could give you some information about it.

EM  Well, we've asked him, and he didn't give it.

JL  He didn't know.

EM  Incidentally, about your drawing, that didn't show up in the