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EM  Hartley estate.

JL  Didn't it? It was for sale at the dealer. I wanted to buy it. They asked me too much money for it.

EM  Who, Rosenberg?

JL  No, it's not Rosenberg. It was somebody, it was a 57th Street dealer.

EM  Bertha Schaefer?

JL  No.

EM  I wonder who it was.

JL  I can't remember. I know the face of the man.

EM  Babcock?

JL  No.

EM  Carmen Dalesio?

JL  No. It's an English name.1

EM  I can't think.

JL  A 57th Street dealer, and I wanted to buy it, but it was too expensive for me.

EM  Much more than Hartley paid for it.

JL  Yes, it was, it was. A lot more, so I was reluctant. I still regret it now because it was such a wonderful drawing.

EM  I had a slide made of your bust, of the bronze. I had it made in color because it gives much more of the roundness of a sculpture when you have it in color.

JL  Yes, of course, of course.

EM  I gave a speech out at the University of Minnesota when my monograph was published, and that was one of my big features.

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1. McIntyre