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...That's before I went to Mexico. I had early became acquainted with the big three of Mexico, Orosco, Sekeros, and Riveria. And in later years, I became acquainted with Pablo Higgins and Leopoldo Mendez. So I had collected every reproduction I could ever get ahold of, and studied the reproductions and what few Mexican painters were represented in the art studios of Chicago. I used to try to study these very carefully. And when I went to Mexico and had the fortune to become acquainted with Sekeros and he allowed me to stay in his home for a year, I then became a member of the Tayada Graphics, where I had a chance to work with Higgins and work with Mendez. I went to a government art school there. They were just tremendous. And why? Because these guys were peoples artist, so to speak. They were artists who identified themselves with people. They lived with the people of Peon, the poor people, the Indians, any workmen. At that time, my work was far more direct socially, as I was making a direct social statement, than it is now. So they were making very direct social statements. Now I'm not that...I don't feel it necessary to say as directly as I did then. So Mexico had a tremendous influence on me. Mostly the way the artist worked and lived, and his identity with people, rather than the techniques, etc.. As far as my own murals are concerned, I was on the WPA projects for three years, and I had an opportunity to do about four murals. Where they are now...I know a couple of them...one is at Tuskegee, one is in a public library in Chicago. Where the other

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