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So what we did was that we evaluated that we were going to use every means possible to do, having little parties, to use every means possible to collect enough money to send one of the members to the Artists Studio in Chicago to take at least one class a week with them.
... He would bring back the information to us so that we could get further training. So what we did, we had a little competition, and one of the members would win, and we could send him to art school. And everyone in the class would help pay, based on how much we could afford. We were just interested in seeing that the people got the art education
... No. I never won this competition. There were older people in my group, because remember that, at this time, I was just fourteen or fifteen. I would say that I remained in the group until I was about sixteen years old.
...Oh yes, I was still going to school. And having a great many problems in school because of my art. I was always painting, and I grew to hate school. Primarily, because as I said, I had become quite, I guess an individualist in a lot of my thinking, and because I had been pretty much of a lonely child. I found any kind of institution, formal institution, like in school, very difficult to adjust to. And I had certain interests that I felt that the high school I went to didn't supply me with.

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