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[[strikethrough]] UM: But I think [[strikethrough]] is [[/strikethrough]]
they are looking out of the isolation and that the the isolation of the German and the French for the French and it does not work better. Just what has been so fruitful is the internationalization...

LL: But they're isolated from the so-called center which is New York. 

UM: But the thing which is hitting us hear right now is that we have become chauvinistic, [[strikethrough]] I [[/strikethrough]] in terms of and that's a very bad deal. You say that you foresee a decentralization: I think that is a very important thing. [[/strikethrough]]

LL: [[strikethrough]] Well again I think Iain Baxter has done something like this. [[/strikethrough]] When I went out to Vancouver in Feb. 1968, [[strikethrough]] a couple of years ago, I and [[/strikethrough]] & met [[strikethrough]] him [[/strikethrough]] Baxter for the first time, [[strikethrough]] and I hadn't been very interested in his work either the inflated things or the company business. But [[/strikethrough]] he was just beginning to work in a a conceptual vein, [[strikethrough]] and earth works, [[strikethrough]] and all kinds of things. [[strikethrough]] And [[/strikethrough]] We stayed up [[strikethrough]] literally [[/strikethrough]] all night talking because I started talking about people I knew who were doing [[strikethrough]] this [[/strikethrough]] similar things. [[strikethrough]] and [[/strikethrough]] But none of [[strikethrough]] it [[/strikethrough]] this kind of work had been published at the time; [[strikethrough]] and it was [[/strikethrough]] we were dealing with ideas literally [[strikethrough]] ideas [[/strikethrough]] in the air. [[strikethrough]] I mean, [[/strikethrough]] There was no way that he could have heard of anything being done, and it was [[strikethrough]] just [[/strikethrough]] fascinating to hear that he had [[strikethrough]] other [[/strikethrough]] so many ideas that coincided with [[strikethrough]] other ideas that other people had done and it was just [[/strikethrough]] those of artists elsewhere. It is very [[strikethrough]] very [[/strikethrough]] exciting [[strikethrough]]..[[/strikethrough]] to feel that [[strikethrough]] there was something going on out here, which was so close to what was happening in New York, which meant that [[/strikethrough]] the stimulus [[strikethrough]] is in an artist usually, and if he can provide enough... [[/strikethrough]] could appear in such a fragmented way. now that there's so much happening in Vancouver. All the kids out there would love to come to New York...they're doing their ownm the Student Union gallery and the U. of British Columbia Gallery are doing shows that are more interesting than [[strikethrough]] t [[/strikethrough]] most of the gallery
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