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time, and I check that. And I give them projects, so they know. 

Q: Do you know the students pretty well personally?

Takaezu: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. 

Q: I'm curious. You taught Cleveland, where they were not studying as rigorously math and science and English and history.

Takaezu: But they did teach English and history in Cleveland.

Q: Yes. But probably with not as much depth. 

Takaezu: Yes. O.K.

Q: How does the artistic skill of Princeton kids compare with the artistic skills of the Cleveland kids?

Takaezu: O.K. It's very interesting that I had some really creative kids from Princeton, especially one painter now. He was in my class. He was very bright. And his parents really didn't want him to be in ceramics. He was a scholar. He was [[strikethrough]] doing [[/strikethrough]] during the period of Kent, so we didn't have regular classes. So he came to class whenever he felt like it, and he was one of the most creative students I've had. No, I can't say, because I had some real creative students in Cleveland, but he was very good.