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ANDY
Well, I just, the reason I wanted to do mechanical work was you didn't have to think about things when you worked or when you didn't have to work.

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INT.
Let's talk about the film a little bit. You've been very involved in them. How did you start to make films?

ANDY
I started in [[strikethrough]] f1 [[/strikethrough]] films when I was going to Hollywood to do an exhibition in the Ferris (Terrace?) Gallery and I bought a movie camera and we decided to take a car so we had room for three people, so we took  Taylor Meade(?) and (INAUDIBLE) and Win Chamberlain and Taylor was the star of the underground that year and as we were going out to California we decided to do a movie starring Taylor Meade and in Hollywood, so that's how the movies started.

INT.
And, I've noticed that when you began you made the films very simply and without moving the camera and so on and now you've tended to make them more and more complicated. You're getting into sound now and what are you trying to do now?

ANDY
Well, we got tired of just setting the camera because this meant repeating the same idea over again so I'm changing, I'm trying to see what else the camera can do and I'm mostly concerned with doing bad camera work and we're trying to make it so bad, but doing it well, where the most important thing is happening, you seem to miss it all the time or show the most