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-8 ANDY No, well I did some things and they were used in a department store window and they were done under another name and then a friend of mine saw some paintings at the (INAUDIBLE) Costello Gallery and thought they were mine and told me about them and I said they weren't mine and so he went back to the gallery and said something about it to Mr. Castelli, and Mr. Castelli went to see my things, or it was Ivan who came to see my things and then that's when I found out somebody else was doing the same kind of thing. INT. Who was that other person? ANDY Oh, it was Roy (NAME) and he was doing comic strips and he his comic strips, he had gone a little further, he had done things with the dots and that was so great and things were just, just the paintings of the strips and things like that--film and I guess that's [[strikethrough]] w [[/strikethrough]] how it all started. INT. But you know your comic strips, as I remember them, were very loose. ANDY They were loose. INT. ...more painted and his were already quite mechanical.