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{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
So, and so. [[laughs]] I forgot to stand up. Um, he sees himself as a symbol to try and change-help change the country. And to being the man who live in the big house. On the big hill. Overlooking the capital, overlooking the White House. This is probably not lost on him when he buys that house.

[00:09:14]
{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
But he lived on-in a house on eighth street?

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yeah. [[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
[[crosstalk]]Yes.

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Eighth street. Yep.[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
[[crosstalk]]Near the capitol.

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
That's the first home he moved in. Yeah.[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
[[crosstalk]]First home he moved to.

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{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
And at that point he is moving from a very urban area to an area that has housing in it, but is also more rural. At that point. [[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
[[crosstalk]] Especially at that time. Yeah.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
And that became-that was after [[?]]

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
I think some of his things are still supposed to be there, I am not sure.

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
The eighth street house-[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
[[crosstalk]]The one who bought the building supposed to be there?

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yeah. It is run by a private organization. But they just moved his belongings there.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
The portrait I am most familiar with is taken at an older age with a lot of white hair. Where is that? Where can you see the original?

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
There's several of him when he was older, we have two of them at this site.

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
Is it this one here?

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yeah. It's that one with the other women's right activist.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
And what's going on in this one?

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{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
It's his uh, it's his second wife Helen Pitts, is the lady. Oh, I am sorry. If anybody would like to see some of these. It is a picture. For the folks listening online of uh, Mr. Douglass sitting with two women. One is his second wife Helen Pitts who was quite the activist as well. She is a writer and speaker and a thinker as well. And it is actually her sister as well. It is the two of them sitting together. The three of them, I am sorry. Three of them.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
And where was it taken? Was this picture taken on Cedar hill or?

{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
We don't know. We don't know.[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
[[crosstalk]]Or in a studio? Most likely in a studio.[[crosstalk]]

{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
[[crosstalk]]We don't know. We don't know.

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yeah. But that is the iconic image of Frederick Douglass with the hair [[laughs]].

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{SPEAKER name="Braden Paynter"}
Yeah. In other places you will see a lot of Frederick Douglass um, documents and pieces with the vast majority of his papers have been digitized and available online through the Library of Congress. They have a special Frederick Douglass collection online. And then also the univer-the library at Howard University has a very large collection of his effects as well.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
He also advised president Lincoln, didn't he?

{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yes. He actually advised President Lincoln three times during the civil war and he advised every subsequent president after that. Up until his death. He was considered, especially after the civil war, he was considered an official leader of the African American community and a spoke person. Yeah. So then they would invite him to speak. Yeah.

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{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
Meeting him in person was, I think we only met him once in person though, didn't he? Didn't he only come to the White House only once or the President's house?

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
I am pretty sure three times. Yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Unknown"}
Three times?

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{SPEAKER name="Shoshi Weiss"}
Yeah. Lincoln was the one he met with the most. I am pretty sure. Yeah.

Transcription Notes:
Speaker names are wrong ---------- Reopened for Editing 2023-04-18 22:30:20 Shoshi Weiss introduced herself as such in the first page. Switch Ross weiss -> to Shoshi Weiss. Change If I'm wrong. Leaving open if anybody knows the speakers' names [00:08:55] "And to being the man who live in the..." Speaker says "lives", add "s" to "live"