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[[loud microphone noise]]
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Mr. McLane was involved with, uh, theatrical management, theatrical work for 17 years before he took over the Royal in Bolemont. Ugh, he's been connected with the Royal, the Palace, the Standard, the Lincoln and the Nixon theaters, all of Philadelphia.

[00:03:15]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
He's a member of the Stockton organization which owns the Royal Theatre. Has owned the Royal Theatre, for, in 1938 for the past two years. Mr. McLane was also a booking agent at one point. Brought in the first colored pictures [[?]] several years ago[[?]] the box offices.

[00:03:42]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
He discovered the Nicholas Brothers.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
[[Cross Talk]]
That would be very informal, you know, to have the tv taping in front of the --

[00:03:53]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Shingzie Howard met Charles B. McLane while she was traveling with the picture house behind the Cedars. He was the, at that point he was the, uh, the manager of the Royal Theatre. Where we have behind the seat is Ms. Sharon
[[loud microphone noises and side conversation]]

[00:4:19]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Samson Windford, he was a boxer.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}

yes
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I don't know if he was in, had retired or was still in the ring. But anyway, this is ugh , apparently this film did very well for him. Had a great deal of excitement and was apparently was one of the more professional looking things that he did after the Homestead. Ugh, I think this is 1920.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Uhuh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ugh, maybe 1919
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes, Uhuh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
1919

[00:04:52]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And ugh, this again is from um The Root
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That looks like Abecome theatre
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Abecome theater is it, and ugh right, and ugh I don't know who the actresses name
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Uhuh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This is the Homestead, his first movie. And ugh the ugh women who stars, I have to get my notes 'cause I, 'cause so many so many actresses names I sometimes forget
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Of Course
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
[]But ugh, let's see, he apparently got a number of known actors who played on this movie, ugh, let's see. Ugh Charles Lucas, Iris Hall
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Iris Hall
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Evelyn Preer
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ohhh Evelyn Preer, Iris Hall, Yes, I never met her.

[00:06:06]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now this, umm this can't be, Is this Evelyn?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
It doesn't look Evelyn to me.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I don't who this actress is.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That does not look Evelyn Preer to me Dear
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I just found these these ugh particular photographs, and I'm not quite sure who
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I don't know who that is, I couldn't (???)
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Anyway, She plays the role of the of the ugh White girl who he falls in love with on this Homestead. And ugh he leaves the Homestead because he cannot you know ugh consummate a relationship with a White woman. And he goes back to Chicago. But at something, at some point in the end ugh she comes to pursue him in Chicago, and she finds out from her father that she is not White she is Negro. And her mother, whom she vaguely remembers, was a Negro.

[00:07:03]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Her Mother
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yeah. Right. Her mother. Umm, this again is The Brute. And
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Now that that picture looks all together different from the one with her hair hanging down on the side.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now here in The Brute we have, ugh, A.B. DeComathiere, Alice George. That looks like it might be Alice George. Here is, this is Alice George. That's an actual credit on the bill itself.

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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Are you calling her Georgeous or Gorgas?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I thought is was George, is it Gorges? G E O
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
No it's spelled here Gorgas
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Then I mispronounced it I think. I didn't get that closely. Right, G O R G A S.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Uhuh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Gorgas,
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Gorgas
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Gorgas, Right.

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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ugh. And here again this is the ugh Homesteader again.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ugh. And this is. Part of the conflict in the plot is that one of the other Homesteaders, who is who's white, all the Homesteaders except for Jean Bautiste, who is the ugh only colored Homesteader there. Ugh, has an intense hatred for the involvement, for this job, because he has Jean Bautiste has hired her brother to work on this. He's the only around one who had money and a job, so the he hires a boy to work for him. And southern background, this particular actor, for that sequence.

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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now this looks like, ugh, Alice George
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That looks like the same girl
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I guess it is then, Alice Gorgas. I haven't seen a Evelyn Pier yet
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Preer
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Preer. This is an outdoor scene
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Mmhmm, we have to stand beside the porch, he must have thought of that scene
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Right. He can't ride and stand beside me. People's imagination no less.

[00:09:30]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Again this is the home, this is Within Our Gates
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Within Our Gates. Now see these are all bringing in , I've heard of these
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Within Our Gates was interesting movie 'cause it delt with lynching's. And ugh, there was some correspondence from the police department in New Orleans, Freedus Port New Orleans that the man of the film be killed because in these trying times it might insight a riot. Apparently there were several lynching's. And this is the Homesteader, and that's the late
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ms. Inez Smith.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Inez Smith.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Now you know
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now that's the young girl, that must be her, I can't do this backwards
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
No. Well honey you know what, I as of this moment, I'll say this. I thought that Evelyn Preer made movies after I did. I thought she was on the stage before I came up on the scene. But I don't think she worked with Micheaux before I did .
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Really she worked before 1920. Well, that's interesting her name is listed as, now she is in Within These Gates because this is an ad from the newspaper.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Okay now what date is that?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ugh, Within Our Gates is 1920, 1921. Within Our Gates, 1920.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
1920 Okay, alright.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And it's ugh, William Starks is with her. Mattie Edwards and E.G. Tatum.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ooo, I'm so glad, I heard that word Starks. Now I'll tell you something about that later. Starks Starks
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Also S.T. Jacks, Grant Edwards, Flo Clements, Jimmie Cook, and Charles Lucas. Charles D. Lucas. Now, Charles D. Lucas is mentioned in the correspondence of the [???]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I was gonna say now that name does ring a bell.

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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This is Within Our Gates
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Mmhmm
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I am not able to identify any of the people here. It's of interest because Micheaux was criticized, ugh, this is on a contemporary level with historians writing about him now. And this whole period of films, that they were totally unreal because they didn't represent White people in them. But in a number of Micheaux's films he also used people, if they were not White, they looked White and played White role in the film. And this is supposedly a scene in the South, ugh and the man in the middle is to represent umm a White settler. Because the story behind Within Our Gates is the treatment of Blacks during, by their masters, the White imperialists.

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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And here again, Within Our Gates
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That was a famous, famous , a famous pose of his. He would have us holding our teeth. Plenty of times.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Right. You don't recognize her?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
No. I wonder.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I have to look through these again. Here is another, that's not Within Our Gates. And here
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
There's Micheaux.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
There's Micheaux in the corner.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
There he is. Bless his heart. Yup, yup.

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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Well sir. This looks like Evelyn Preer. That looks like Evelyn Preer. Is that the same person?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
It must be. She's the leading lady.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
This, this this front view of her there looks just like Evelyn Preer to me as I remember her [???] dear [???]
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now these as I said I just got and I hastily mounted them last night so I could show them to you.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Mmhmm.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
So. I will show you some other stuff which you
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That was a very beautiful girl
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yeah, um,
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
She could sing and she could dance and she could act. Gifted and was a sweet, sweet person.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And her career was initially
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
On stage.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
On stage.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Do you know whether she continued on stage at the same time she was doing films?
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Well you see I didn't know her when she was doing films. I only knew her when she was on stage.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Oh. These are all
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
She married Eddie Thompson. Do you have anything Eddie Thompson?
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Eddie Thompson he was in Hollywood, wasn't he?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
He was where?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
He acted in a couple of Hollywood movies, Eddie Thompson?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I don't think so. I don't remember him in--
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
In [???]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
No. He was from, no, he was from Indiannoplis.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Maybe it is a similar name.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
His father was editor of the famous newspaper out there.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
The Courier?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I think it was called Freedman's, wasn't it? The famous newspaper from out there colored newspaper and his father was the editor.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Mm, alright.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This is Wages of Sin.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Wages of Sin. Ahh haa.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Lorenzo Tucker, Kathleen Noisette, and A.B. DeComiathiere on the right.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I was going to say it had to be on the right, he was very young there [???] What is the girl's name?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ah, Kathleen Noisette
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Kathleen Noisette.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
N O I S E T T E
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
And what is the other fellow's name?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Lorenzo Tucker.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That's Tucker
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yeah, that is a young Tucker. He was known as the, um,
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Valentino?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Rudy Valentino [Laughter] Yes.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I pulled that one out for you. [Laughter]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yes, yes. [Laughter]

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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And this is Ethel Moses who is the sister of Lucia Lynn Moses who was an actress I was talking about earlier, I mean the dancer I was talking about earlier who plays in the Scar of Shame [???] she is related to. One of the things that I have yet to in this book that I showed you is that the reference to Micheaux as having made, uh, [???] pictures.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Uh,huh.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This is the only slide that I have seen of that nature. He did have a certain amount of sex [???] in some of his movies, but you could hardly call them X-rated films.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
No, no.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
They were not of that caliber. He is much more interested in telling the story. And, uh, this is Lorenzo Tucker, Ethel Moses, a more demure Ethel Moses.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And this one The Girl from the Congo, also Micheaux's, and this I have a date for as 1921. Also, but you will see another, slide that has -- and that is a later Lorenzo Tucker. He also played the gangster, heavy roles, in Micheaux's pictures. He used him quite a bit in, I guess the '30s as a leading man. He was -- he says he was with the LaFayette Stock Company also.
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Well you see you had the LaFayette Stock up there in New York. Quite a number of years before 1921.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yes,yes.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Quite a number, yeah.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Anita Bush, uh 19 -- had to be before 1919.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes, it had to have been before 1919, yes dear.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
She was already on tour. She went as a child actress with-- now wait a minute. It is very hard to pinpoint her age because she tells conflicting stories. She did when she was still alive. Um, she-- at one time, she went to Europe with Williams and Walker.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Oh, yes.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now that had to be --
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That was years before my time.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yeah, right.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
It had to be before World War One.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
That is the way I used to wear my hair when I was a little girl.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now this is Pearl McCormack and she also is
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Pearl McCormack
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And that is Rex Ingram on the other slide. The slides in the back are--
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I was going to say, now his face is familiar to me.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
That is Rex Ingram
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes. And when was that?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
That is 1927 and uh it was a promotional [???] I don't know what film it comes from, but Micheaux often used photographs of known actors as selling black distributors his pictures. I think theater mangers rely just based on the names and this is a musical he made, Harlem After Midnight.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And here is A Daughter of the Congo, [???] Lorenzo Tucker.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Can you get this any
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
clearer?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Daughter of the Congo is Kathleen Noisette again with Lorenzo Tucker, Clarence Reed and Willor Lee Guilford.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Say that last one again.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Willor Lee Guilford, G U I L F O R D. Willor. Now I am not quite sure whether that casting is correct. Those names associated with. I know Lorenzo Tucker and Kathleen Noisette, but I don't know for sure the other one is Willor Guilford. That is of course Paul Robeson. That is the Emperor Jones, 1933.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes, yes.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Frank Wilson of course, with a hat on, on the left, he was in one of Micheaux's pictures, the same one that -- I believe it was the same one that won an [???]. [click of the slide projector] that is a [???], Herb Jeffries [click of the slide projector]. That is another [???]. Herb Jeffries again. This is much later, this is the '40s, much later.
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{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Did he ever film Ten Nights in a Barroom?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
No, he did not film that. That was done by the Colored Players of Philadelphia.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ahh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And, I think it is 1927, and Charles Gilpin stars in it.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Trying to call his name out [???]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yes, Charles Gilpin.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
He was a splendid actor.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yea, he was a Shakespearan actor.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes. He was.
{SILENCE}
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
That film, has been found but it is not in --
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Good shape.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
You can't project it.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Oh that is too bad.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yes. It happens sometimes with material that has been stored for years.
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[00:23:12]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Ah, this is Lucia Lee Moses, the sister of Ethel Moses and she was a dancer at the Cotton Club. And this was the first and only picture she made. She was so disinterested in this particular movie that she never bothered to see it. She saw it for the first time in 1972, I believe it was, when I had that television program, the 90 minute show in which we showed clips of Scar of Shame and some of the other movies and she saw herself.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
What a [???]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
She called the station.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ohhh
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
We had an 8 millimeter print made of the Scar of Shame so she could see it. Last time I talked to her she still had not looked at it because she doesn't have an 8 millimeter projector. [Click of the slide projector]. Now there, the guy standing up, is Henry -- Harry Henderson.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Harry Handerson, yes, yes. And you said he is still living?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I don't know.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Oh.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I don't know. Beyond this one movie I don't know-- I think he is not in Ten Nights in a Barroom and he is not in Children of Fate, which is another movie that he made.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ohhh, oooo. That is ringing a bell. One of them, uh-huh.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Now, here is Pearl Prunous [???] with Harry Henderson.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Uh-huh.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
That is a Hollywood film. This if the first film that Clarence Muse starred in, Hearts in Dixie, which was 1929. [Click of slide projector] It also had Stepin Fetchit in it. [Click of slide projector] Now Daniel Haynes, this is a Hollywood movie, Hallelujah, which was done again in 1929. They were released within a year of each other, not within the same year. Nina Mae McKinney was in this. [Click of slide projector]. Here is Nina Mae McKinney and William Blake was the [???].
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
[Click of slide projector]
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[00:26:02]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Some of these are going to be up side down.
{SILENCE}
[00:26:10]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Now you have no date on that Children of Fate?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Children of Fate, 192--1926, I think it was made before, I have to look that up. It was probably made before Scar of Shame, which was 1928.
{SILENCE}
[00:26:44]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
He had some interesting titles, didn't he?
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yea, now --
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Wages of Sin, Brute [Laughter]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Yea, well he borrowed -- he made use of, which also makes him an interesting film person, he made use of some of the important writers of the period. C. W. Chestnut, he talks about trying to interest DuBois in writing a script. Now I don't know how much of that is his own ego, talking, but unlike most of the other black producers during the same period he was attempting to do things with the other arts in terms of bringing in people who were novelists important writers. [Click of slide projector]
[00:27:39]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
There is Anita Bush.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And this was her stage career. She did an on stage, sort of cowgirl act which was only coincidentally the same as the only movie she ever made, I mean the outfit, that she is playing a cowgirl. [Click of slide projector]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
The Crimson Skull
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This is Crimson Skull, which was the first Black Western. This is 1921, everything is 1921, that is a bumper year for films.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes. How about that.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Lawrence Chenault is in this and there are some other people you might have heard of, um, there is Bill Pickett, who was a rodeo star, Steve Reynolds, who was also in rodeo. [Click of slide projector] And then there is a host of cowboys all from Boley, Oklahoma. This is Lawrence Chenault on the right and it is a Mexican-American actor, whose name I don't know. Ms. Bush could not remember who he was, but he apparently made one or two pictures with this same company, [Click of slide projector], the Norman Film Company.
[00:29:07]
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
This again -- and this was shot in Jacksonville, Florida. The company is from Jacksonville, Florida and that is another photograph of Oscar Micheaux. [Click of slide projector] The Veiled Aristocrats, Lorenzo Tucker. This is later, I believe then ah --No God's Step Children was 1928 -- 1938 and Veiled Aristocrats must have been, I don't really remember which was the first -- was the first all talking picture he did was in 19--The Exile, that must have been done in 193--yes 1931 and many of the same actors are in this large-- You know Lorenzo Tucker, Walter Fleming, Laura Bowman, now she is an interesting person.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Ohhh, go on
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
She stars in a, she has an important role in another film he made in 1938 called God's Step Children. She plays Aunt Carrie.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
I played with her.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
You did?
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes, indeed.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And she pops up in a number of Micheaux films. Now the guy pointing his finger at the girl on the top, that is Carl Mahome[??]. He was a principal in New York Public Schools, retiring when I first met him and he moved out West to be with his son.
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
When I played with her and her husband on stage with the LaFayette Players. She was with the company number two and her husband's name was Fitzpatrick. And I have been trying to think of their names and trying to think of their names and you said Bowman, I said Laura Bowman. I can't think of her husband's first name, but his last name is Fitzpatrick.
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Oh, Fitzpatrick. [Click of slide projector]
{SPEAKER name="Shingzie Howard"}
Yes
[00:31:30]
{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Here she is again.
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