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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
A Black woman who's, I think she's at Harvard or something.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
She's trying to make a movie. She called me up a few weeks ago.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Tell her she can call me up and pay me, and I'll come there to do the picture for her. [[Laughs]]
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Okay.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
And show her just what happened, if she wants that; you tell her that. [[Laughs]]
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, not many. I just finished this book on Tucker.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
And to me, the logical next step is probably to do a book on Micheaux. The problem is is that he didn't leave anything behind him.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He seemed to be a very guarded person about his private life.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
He had no children.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Yeah, I know. And you know, here is what I found through his niece. You know, the woman I told you in Pasadena.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Nobody knew what happened to him when he died. After he died, nobody knew.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh no. Where is he buried or nothing like that? Nobody knows where he's buried?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Nobody did until I found out.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Was he cremated?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well, no. What happened is, that in his final years, he had arthritis and he was like in a wheelchair and crippled up.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
This was like in '49 and '50.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
I didn't know that.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
And he decided to go back to writing and selling his books, because he was a novelist, as well.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
And he was on a tour of a selling his books in Charlotte, North Carolina in 1951, when he died.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Now his next--
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
[[??]]
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Yeah. 1951.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
I thought he'd been dead. How old was he there?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well he was born in 1884, so that makes him about 65 or so.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
90 or something.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
No, he died in '51, and he was born in 1884, so he was only about 65, or so.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Now, apparently, I don't know why, because his wife was still alive then, but he-- his body was never brought back here to New York.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
It was shipped to the family in a place called Great Bend, Kansas.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Is that where he was born?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well, he born in Metropolis, Illinois, down by the river.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh, is that where he was born?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Anyway, this niece's mother was Micheaux's sister, and she was his favorite sister.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
And so, the body was shipped back to her.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well, they were very poor, and all they had was enough money to pay for the body to come back on the train
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
and then to put it in the family plot, where it remains today, but without a tombstone.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Ohhhhh!
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
So, here's the story of the most important black director, and he doesn't have a tombstone?
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
And no tombstone. Isn't that crazy!
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Not even, ah, I mean she says there's marker on the ground so they know which one it is, but there is nothing to commemorate.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
And you say his wife is still living, you say?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well, Tucker said, he thought she was but that she was in a home, and couldn't remember anything.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Because there's some woman, her sister, Alice B. Russell's sister, is in Cleveland,
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
and has this big scrapbook of Micheaux that Alice B. Russell put together and that's--
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Maybe you can get that too.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
As far as we know, that's the only record. Well, she being very--

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Closed.

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
closed with it.
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Transcription Notes:
DONE!! Please use punctuation! So many I have found in these transcripts have not had punctuation included. Time Stamps GO UNDER the dialogue - watch Instruction Video! Need a final Time Stamp! DONE!!