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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
And then anyway, um, so in the last day, he-- Here I'll show it to him.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
I should show you this other picture as well, because this other picture is his last picture.

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yeah, this is nice.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
This is about three weeks before he got sick?

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
At the Director's Guild.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh, yeah. [[inaudible]]

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
See, the , Director's Guild did a honorary thing for Micheaux.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Well, he was living good in California? Did he live--

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Tucker?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Well, in his little apartment, yeah.

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Decent, his home-- his house; just apartment?

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Just a little apartment, yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Didn't have much money at all. In fact, um, when he died he had no money. We had to call up the Negro Actors Guild back here.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh yeah?
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Fred O'Neil and Dick Campbell, they got money together just so he could be buried.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
He was-- O'Neil was the head of that Actors Guild-- Equity at that time.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
That was sad, but he was a photographer.

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Anyway.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Anyway he uh, he was, as he was dying, uh, he was in lots of pain. And would go in and out of reality.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh yeah, he was nice.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
So, so he rolled over and looked at me and he said to me--
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He said, "Did you go up to the tree of Hope today? So immediately I knew he was back in 1928.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He says, "We gotta get some jobs; we got jobs to do."

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Ah!
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He said, he said that there used to be, that used to be our employment office.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yeah. I'm surprised that he went to California, cause he was living here in New York.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He didn't go to California until 1977; 10 years ago.

[[Cross Talk]]

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yeah, he was [[inaudible]].
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He decided to try to make it. But uh, and he was working as a night security guard.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
But I know he was a photographer too.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Yeah, took a lot of photos.

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Yes, he did.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Um, uh let's see.

{SILENCE}

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
What can I ask you here?

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
[[softly]] He was a good looking guy.
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{SILENCE}
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
He came back in March of '86 for a while, and uh, at the Negro Actors Guild cause I think that they revived that now. It's totally Afro-American.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
It's called the African American's Actor's Code, or something?

{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Oh, yeah.
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{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Do you know this guy, Donald Haywood?
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
[[Laughs]] Did I, did I know Donald!

{Unknown Speaker 1}
I didn't know too much about him, but--
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Did I know The Caribbean Cruise? [[Laughs]]

{Unknown Speaker 1}
Yeah, he--

{SPEAKER name="Richard Grupenhoff"}
Oh yeah?
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
He'd try to have us rehearse. His shows was like a big snowball.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Every time you went there, he had somebody new in the cast.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
You never had to say it. Never had to say-- Never had to say. It just rolled like a big snowball.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
The further you rehearse, the more people he got. Never got off the ground. He brought us over here all living in Harlem.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
Over here too, where was we, Patterson, Flood? What was that theater we worked, you was there?

{Unknown Speaker 1}
No I wasn't.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
You come and got me cause we got stranded in Patterson.
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{SPEAKER name="unknown"}
Come and got you cause y'all couldn't get back home.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
[[Laughs]] We couldn't! So um, he had this Caribbean Cruise and he'd put the show on over there.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
But he-- we never did get paid. But coming from Patterson to New York, that-- You know where Patterson is? Right up the hill. We could almost [[Laughs]]
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{SPEAKER name="unknown"}
Got stranded.
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{SPEAKER name="Edna Mae Harris"}
And we could've. Flood had a come over there and get me. [[Laughs]] Donald Haywood.
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{SPEAKER name="unknown"}
That's all I know, but he uh, he was uh, I must say--
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Transcription Notes:
Please try to fill in the [[??]] with dialogue. MODERATOR: The reviewer of this page has not picked up on many mistakes left by the transcriber. Misspelled "Micheaux." Placement of Time Stamps, some left out punctuation, and no final Time Stamp was entered. Spaces were not placed between speakers dialogue in several places, as well. I reopened to fix. Still need to try and get the [[??]] dialogue, if possible.