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son as they might apply to the New Haven project. I was 30 years old and a relative cub engineer compared to these two I was to visit. Dr. Hull I've mentioned in connection with the AIEE meeting; he was one of the world's top electronic experts. Ernst F. W. Alexanderson was one of the world's most famous inventors; among other things, he was one of the television pioneers. He wasn't quite in Steinmetz's class but he was not too far from it. It happened that Andy was on No. 5 also, headed for New York, so he and I sat together in the club car from Erie to Buffalo, where I dropped off to pick up the Albany sleeper. I'd somewhat dreaded the ride to Buffalo with Andy but had a very interesting talk with him about new developments. He was most cordial and talkative. It was a new experience for me because prior to that, I'd never had anything but strictly business relations with him. I saw him in a new light as a very human, interesting, highly intelligent, and even charming man. I have little recollection of the following day with Hill and Alexanderson save for the latter's test setup in his lab where, with the aid of thyratrons, he ran a commutatorless direct current motor as I remember it. While interesting and different, it looked to me like a hell of an awkward and expensive way to do something that a commutator did so well and so relatively inexpensively. Just how this tied in with the New Haven project, some 41 years later I'm at a loss to say. Regardless of all this, however, I'm sure that I was impressed with these two men and it was brought home strongly to me that the General Electric Company was a good concern with which to be associated.
   The other item was an entirely different kind of a project and one in which my old-time talent for drawing stood me in good stead and possibly strengthened my position a little--and the Lord knows, anything that would do this in 1932, was a blessing indeed. The GE Refrigerator Department, whose headquarters were then located in Cleveland, was launching a campaign to sell all-electric kitchens, and as a sales tool, they proposed to acquire a number of model kitchens set up in trailers they could drag around the country to show off their ideas. TED's Urban Transit Section was almost flat and they received the assignment to prepare a proposition on such a trailer, which would be assembled in Erie--hopefully, several would be assembled. Whitey Wilson had the specific assignment. Ideas were requested within TED and I drew a colored sketch of a trailer with a Spanish motif--sort of a Spanish bungalow effect. Andy and Whitey took this as well as several others including a design by Perk, to Cleveland. The next day Whitey told me they'd sold one trailer of my design for February 15th delivery, which was about six weeks away. I was quite set up as Gosling, the professional artist in the Illuminating Engineering Lab, had several designs in the display. Whitey said all the designs were reviewed by five men, four of whom picked my "Spanish Villa," as Andy called it. I don't recall its construction.