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19 Nov.
Up early to try to find Renato at IUCN, FBCN, IBDF, WWF meeting that was planned.

Bumped into Lovejoy on way up

Present eventually were Ibsen, Lovejoy, MiHermeier, Coimbra, Celio Nalle, IUCN Rep Zentilli, Maria Teresa, Mario
Shang (FBCN).

Talked to [[strikethrough]] Cli [[/strikethrough]] Renato re. problems
[[circled]] 1 [[/circled]] He agreed that Berant could probably be made a private breeder but his animals would have to be confiscated.

[[circled]] 2 [[/circled]] He did not agree to our exchange of animals since he felt it would look bad [we had said we would donate the animals] & too many Brazilian organizations were involved which might question the exchange.