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Rosa thought Ron realized that #8 was not there. Dinner & then B & [[strikethrough]] M [[/strikethrough]] Jim & I start talking about plans & discussion gets a bit rough again. [[circled]] 1 [[/circled]] Jim feels we ought to build the two viveiros instead of changing course mid-stream. I ask whether it is worth the effort since behavior in viveiro doesn't predict & actually animals more tied to nest box than viveiro. [[circled]] 2 [[/circled]] Ben feels documentation is important & consistency [[end page]] [[start page]] and that we shouldn't change course also. After some heated discussion about goals, we decide to build 2 1/2sized viveiros for the next groups and site them in the same forest as Vivs. #1 & #2. Jim had looked for island hilltop sites and other forest types, but again there was strong feeling by Ben that we [[strikethrough]] no [[/strikethrough]] be as consistent as we can so that we can use the captive data to predict later behavior - survivorship, etc. I was pushing for making decisions & speeding up the process, because I felt that we were floundering. We end on a positive note.