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{SPEAKER name="Gordon Ekholm"}
--in the, um, in diffusionism, particularly [[sidebar]] could you drop off just a moment [[/sidebar]] particularly the subject of Trans-Pacific diffusion really began in 1949.

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Most important, perhaps, was the fact that Dr. Robert Haynie Guilherme of Vienna was here at the time, refugee from Austria, and this was one of his principal, was of course, one of his principal interests.

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I remember very distinctly in the old cafeteria in the museum one day when we were talking about the forthcoming Congress of Americanists that was going to meet in the museum and I said, "Why don't we put on an exhibit illustrating diffusion?"

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Cotpa Kirschoff was also there, and all of a sudden everyone said, "Yes, why not?"

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And from then on, we did prepare Dr. Haynie Guilherme and myself, an exhibition entitled "Across the Pacific".

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We didn't attempt to prove anything in this exhibit other than to, what we did was to show those objects and those things which seemed to be similar in Asia and in the New World, leaving the conclusion largely up to the spectator.

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We, in preparing for the exhibit, we had great fun really, because Dr. Haynie Guilherme knows the Asiatic scene very well and he would often say, "Do you have this in the New World?" or I would say, "Do you have this in Asia?" and often, or occasionally, we hit upon something that--