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{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
-- meet you, and Giovanni can meet you. It's only 15 minutes, 18 minutes from the house.

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Well, it's also a nice drive too, just a -

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{SPEAKER name="UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER"}
Yes, it is.

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Beautiful drive down the coast.

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
And it is - it's not very long to get there.

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{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
I would try that, just let Jim know. He's going away, he's going East. He's on the endowment too.

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{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
The endowment's -- I'm, I'm, I must say I'm delighted to find that the endowment has gotten so deeply involved in photography as it has.

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
It is very well --

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Because --

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-- that's critical. Just as I am delighted to find out that they're getting deeply involved in criticism, because criticism has a similar problem - not in certainly being recognized as an art form, but maybe. But it also is not a living.

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Do you know Irene Lagorio?

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{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
No, I don't.

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
She's fun. An Italian family, her brother teaches - teaches architecture?

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She's a fine painter and an excellent critic. She writes very perceptively.

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Irene Gagori?

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Lagorio.

{SPEAKER name="UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER"}
L A G O R I O

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Lagorio -- Wonder who that it?

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{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
You must get in touch with her.

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
What age range?

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Hmm?

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Where is she?

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Carmel.

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{SPEAKER name="UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER"}
She's 45 years old?

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Irene - ?
{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Age? Yes, about -- But she, I never thought she used to be a [[?]].

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{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Good critics are few and far between.

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
Oh, I mean she's really perceptive, she looks at everything -- now this time you get an awful man, what's his name, I'm not [[?]]. Colbert. And anything that guy writes, I've really become sick.

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{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
Well, I really wonder, as we get more and more specialized that criticism isn't going to have to come out of individual areas.

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I think that's the problem with video criticism. I think it's perhaps the problem with photographic criticism --

{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
But are they --

{SPEAKER name="JAN BUTTERFIELD"}
-- I think critics, are going to have to come up from within the --

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{SPEAKER name="ANSEL ADAMS"}
But, are they critics or are they frustrated artists, are they trying to control? I mean, I have a feeling that - a critic is someone who takes you by the hand and says, "Look, I'd like to show you something."

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On the other hand, you find these people who are making these terrific pronouncements, like they were final. Look, when I was studying music we'd put on a concert...

Transcription Notes:
Unidentified speaker in background may be Ansel's wife, Virginia