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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
subversive, because only because, well, okay the fact is that I--

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
We have about 3 minutes if you're--How close is your watch to being right? Sorry to be bad, but I--

[00:04:23]
{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Uh, it's 5 minutes fast.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
5 Minutes but [[Inaudible]]

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
It's 5 minutes, it's 5 minutes fast. Um--

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Maybe, I think the other Chicago piece with removal of George [[inauduble]] is perversely subversive and I like it for that reason. It's just so on the money.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Well, okay. Yeah. It did deals with a double negation which this doesn't totally deal with this, though it deals with the negation of, of um or the question of why?

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Why do you take the planning of the architect and showcase it? And you tell me you tell me that that's not if that is your term of perverse, that's kind of strange.

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But, how come it works so well once it's showcased and all you see out here are, are bricks?

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You know, and tell me tell me then where, where did the declaration come from that the architecture, that the architect is using? Where did the ornament come from that the, that the architect is using?

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It's a question, sure. It came from that dis..., the architectural discourse, but it certainly falls back on the art discourse, on the discourse of art because it fits in so beautifully with the art discourse. And it was just the wrong--

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
No it's not true. It's a nice piece that one.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
It's the wrong building to design for this particular usage.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
No, it's not true.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
[[laughs]] Because this is like, this is like a grid, like so lit or[[inaudible]] or like,


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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Uh-huh, oh for sure. Yeah, yeah--

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
or like um, these are just flat pieces of aluminum or even uh um--

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
alright well go back to the other question because it's an important question.

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{SPEAKER name="Michael Asher"}
Okay, well what was the ques--. I'm not working in concert with the architect.

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{SPEAKER name="Jan Butterfield"}
Okay, why isn't that a... um ... a factor which lessens the impact? In other words, if you are fun--