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-Donaldson-Suggests making an adjustment so the symbol does convey what we want it to mean.  As Malcolm would say 'by any means necessary', necessary to reach the aim.

-Donalson relates the mouths in his work as deriving from Malangatana compositions.

-Neal feels the mouths set up a conflict of dialogue. ?Should the teeth be very white?

-Stevens-Bringing up the question of color, how intense are you going to take it? Also the figures I get the feeling of not one figure moving but four or five.

-Donaldson -I wanted to intensify the center but think I may be trying to hard.  This is inspired by a hunting scene in an Egyptian tomb, he explains the Egyptian sign of a figures movement, portrayed by the angle of the garment to the body.

-Auld's comment "what is it with the bun biting, draws attention to the placement of the mouths in the composition."

-The conversation leads to Stevens declaring the triangle as the simplest unit of measurement.  Opposing the Western concept of the square holding this prestigious position.  He cites Buckminsterfuller as the sole deviant within this culture, who gives credence to the triangle in his concept of the geodethic dome.  But without tracing the origin back to Egypt, its known origins.  Stevens projects the position of the angle in a triangle to be action verus the restfulness of horizontals and verticals in the square.  He brings up the use of biometric forms inside a rectangle in Donaldsons painting that takes advantage of this.

-Henderson remarks on the viewing of a painting simultaneously with TV.

-Stevens expounds this topic to reflect on the differences light will make in the viewing of a work of art.

-Anderson identifies the jewels as originating in Egyptian art.

-Donaldson verbalizes an idea he has of doing portraits in the near future.  His search for the correct materials for his compositions engages much time.  Suggestions are given for possible sources of 3 ply board.  He reveals the temptation to leave figures out and work just the material.

-Anderson suggests to try it.  Begin working and find the figure later.