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9. and the other. One half of it, he said, and I took it. They made it and people believe it. So you've got to have history and go with something like this before you can do anything. MR STARR: Yes. (Silent tape) ___________________________________________________ MRS STARR: Would you like to tell us the story of Madam Tula? MINNIE: Well, yes. That's very interesting too. Madam Tula came to Wilmington, in the Greene Five and Ten Cent Store. Let's see, the invasion was in June. This was in--I think it must have been in May, but--June--must have been in--last of May--I don't exactly know, I can't give you exactly the right time, but-- Anyhow, I went there that morning. Wasn't expected to find her there because the year before that she was at another five and ten cent store, they called the McCullen. And one of my friends came there to me and said, "Minnie, there is a real mind-reader lady in town. You ought to go up there and let her tell you about your pictures." But at that time I was busy. My people was here and I couldn't get off. So the next year, when I went up there, unexpectedly, to find them, and I have a group of pictures that I have to keep with me. I had been-- I had to keep them with me all the time. They was one hundred and forty-four. I could not work or go anywhere or do anything unless I had those pictures with me. MRS STARR: Which were those pictures?