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- 1 of Sagiyo's workers does the kerok scraping work but doesn't do it every day
- Sagiyo's paint made from ancur + a commercial watercolor such as Sakura or [[or?]] Guitar
formerly used [[siwit?]] (powdered paints)
- for a good wayang must be very, very careful in painting + painting very detailed, but large plain areas of paint in rough wayangs
method of applying gold leaf (no one in Pocung can do this)—first a thick paste made of ancur called 'lem ancur' — lem ancur is painted on certain area, then gold leaf with paper backing laid on + paper peeled off
price of gold leaf 4000-5000 Rp pes doos (small box) + is only enough for 1 ((arjima?))
- 10 doos packed in a wooden box (peti) - 1 peti 40,000 to 50,000
a Krisna [[?]] with perada mas (brom) costs 8000 Rp but with 

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gold leaf (kertas mas) costs 17,500 - 20,000 Rp
Sagiyo says about 10 HH in Gendeng which make wayang
- says to make a halus wayang must have talent ((Dartotugiyo? says Sagiyo once asked him to make a very good Krisna + told him must be finished in 7 days, not more not less and he must fast during the 7 days of making))
med. sized wayang halus takes 4-5 days to ((menatah?))
med  sized wayang sedang quality takes 3 days
time for ((menyungging?)) same as for menatah (told this everywhere) but need less ((penyungging?)) because can work on 3 or 4 at a time
makes own tatahs, says best from spokes of wheels of old cars
every anak who can menatah can also make the tools and no one person in Gendeng who makes tools for everybody
use anglo charcoal burner to heat metal + after red ((dipukul?))