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40 1 son, 3 mantu) mantus studied [[strikethrough]] after marria [[/strikethrough]] kuningan after marriage all 3 used areng kayu used, melandung wood, (lamtoro kecil) didn't get hit by lamtoro agung disease they get from lereng Merapi from Boyolali side sold per karung 5000 @ kuningan [[strikethrough]] 10,000 [[/strikethrough]] Rp per kilo 3000 roso 10,000 tembaga sometimes mixed if order for bronze bronze = tambaga + kuningan can used timah pure to mix it an order use diff mixtures for diff orders 41 for gamelon use tin bronze if must tahan air, vap have never made alot gamalon but have made church bells (order from Singapore) - have also had order orders for gesper (belt buckles) from Amer & Austr (1983) only work on orders, but always new orders before old finished - at most a wk no order no petani here if have sawah, digaiap orang luar he has no sawah but before did of the three kuningan the diff. shapes made here - other 2 give him if too difficult so many visitors Semarang also here if need diff shapes he is not active in Koop because before couldn't pay dues big enterprises make besi,