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now 78-80 - had 7 children by WWII cucu 29 #2 Industry Tour Pak Perman kal(mini) Dukoh Segrian, Kemiri Rec. Kaloran was a Diklat to make farm from Dinas Per but Pak Perman didn't attend has never had bank credit, he is afraid can't repay uses own. - 16 15 boys 1 girl P.R.P (also cooks for workers) 10 gergaji 2 cankul (farming) 2 mengatu, kayu 1 memetik kopi 10 are pasang surat (come + go) he buys on the tree buys [[strikethrough]] per meter [[/strikethrough]]acc. to diameter he gives price + they can accept or not (bargaining) (Christian family) he can also give price for a stand of trees if are dead trees etc. can sell for fuelwood big house but earth floor buruh work, every day unless they have a kepentingan + minta frei Purnomo - Wrong 10,300 a mo his cousin borrowed 100,000 Rp, repaid 12x13,000 deposit 1 juta, bunganga only 1000 BR 1 Kaloran